Friday, 1 October 2021

IMAGI-NATIONS. PART 44

THE CHINESE MOVE SOUTH.


 Since its defeat by the UNION in 1870 and the loss of its southern territories the Chinese government had used every means to rebuild their army in order to recover the lost land and defeat the hated UNION. With Chinese industry only able to produce simple small arms and old fashioned muzzle loading artillery the government had sought to purchase modern weapons from other countries. This proved  impossible with no European country being either able or willing to supply weapons. The Germans and Russians, past suppliers of weapons to China, were heavily engaged on building up their own armies and neither Britain or France had any enthusiasm for a rearmed China. However by 1888 the Chinese army had at last been rearmed, although not to modern standards, and many thousands of soldiers had been recruited and given various levels of training.

 The attacks by Germany and Russia on the UNION had come as a surprise to the Chinese and they had watched carefully as the UNION fought for its life. As the battle raged with Germany the Chinese decided now was as good a time as ever to recover their lost territory. The UNION army was fully deployed against Germany and Russia and could have no troops left to defend southern China and in any case would they bother to defend a vast tract of empty land that clearly they had no intention of colonising anyway. The decision made, the Chinese army began the long trek towards Harbin to concentrate for a move south. 

Over the following months the Chinese army moved slowly south from Harbin towards the border with the UNION. The Chinese were well aware that UNION cavalry patrolled the empty spaces of southern China. However they were confident that those patrols did not venture more than a hundred miles or more north of the border especially now as UNION forces were so heavily engaged fighting Germany and Russia there could be few spare troops available for such activities. By the summer of 1889 the Chinese army had advanced to within 120 miles of the border. The railway south from Harbin was being rebuilt and settlers from all over China were being encouraged to repopulate the vast spaces of the south.

On 26th June a UNION cavalry patrol, at the end of its loop through the empty lands of southern China , had spotted a dust cloud a few miles north. On investigation the UNION patrol was astonished to find large numbers of Chinese troops camped with signs of heavy movement further north. The Chinese were clearly returning to their southern lands, and in force. The patrol immediately reported its findings to Command and continued to monitor the Chinese.

By this time China had realised that the UNION had triumphed over Germany and Russia and was fearful of the UNION reaction to discovery of their move south. However they felt that with the huge army they now possessed and with the UNION probably exhausted after the wars with Germany and Russia they could perhaps withstand a battle with the UNION army sufficient to negotiate some sort of peace that would enable them to recover their lost lands. It all depended on defeating any UNION force sent against them so as to give them a position of strength from which to negotiate.

The discovery of the Chinese advance was very unwelcome news to the UNION government. The armies were exhausted and still in positions in Germany and Ukraine. The only UNION troops near China were units of 10th Reserve army. There were three infantry brigades, the cavalry brigade and the army command brigade either on the border or in Denver. These troops were ordered to concentrate on the border and then to move into China and engage the Chinese. Their instructions were to hold the Chinese advance until reinforcements arrived from the UNION armies still in the German Rhineland. 

On 7th July the units of 10th Reserve army,  totaling about 55,000 strong, crossed the border into China and advanced north. A few days later on 11th July the UNION forces were drawn up ready for battle only a few miles south of the advancing Chinese. The Chinese now knew for sure they had been discovered and determined to inflict the heaviest possible defeat on the UNION forces in front of them so as to achieve the strong negotiating position they thought they would need to secure the return of their southern lands.


16 comments:

  1. Hi Tony -
    O just need a quick reminder of roughly the 'period' of warfare your campaigns are fought in. I've assumed they are mid- to late 19th Century. This would give the Union breech-loading magazine rifles and machine guns (Gatlings, say, or possibly Maxims). Less well equipped, the Chinese in this border war are probably equipped with single shot breech loading rifles, no machine guns, and a high proportion of smooth bore ordnance.

    The reason for my asking, is that I'm wondering whether to suggest that I fight one of the battles with my gear. They would be heavily scaled down of course from your woodscrew armies. Even my ACW Union army amount to just one 1000 figures (horse, foot and guns) but, depending on your organisation, one of my 27-figure regiments might stand in for a brigade, or even, perhaps, a Division.

    The grey-coats could stand in for Chinese - just leaving the flags off. Much would depend on the numbers.

    Just a thought...
    Cheers,
    Ion

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  2. Hi Ion....Yes you are right on the time-frame. This chapter in based in 1889 so the weapons are exactly as you describe. One of the reasons I wrote these Imagi-Nations articles was to provide wargaming scenarios so I would be absolutely delighted if you fought one of the battles. Just to give some sense of scale, my brigades are about 4,500 strong and a whole army is 21,000 strong. I dont have divisions, four infantry brigades and a cavalry brigade make up an army together with some army troops like heavy artillery etc.I think a 27 figure regiment would be a perfect fit for a brigade. More detail on the organisation of the army is under the "organisation" label on the blog. Super idea and I would greatly encourage you to fight a battle. I very look forward to the battle report. Regards.

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  3. Hi Tony -
    Reading through this lead-up to the military campaign in Southeast China, I find it a little bit difficult, in the light of your comment here, to determine what is happening with the Union 10th (Reserve) Army. I'm going to suggest a narrative, and see what you reckon.

    Around Denver is the core of 10th Army (Major-General Xxx?) Which I propose to call XIX Corps. It comprises 4 Regular Brigades (4,500 men each = 18,000), a cavalry regiment/brigade? (15 figures = 2,500), 1 artillery battalion (4 figures, 2 field guns) and 1 MG unit ( 2 figures, 1 Gatling gun). The total represents a force of 22,500 men.

    Now, the rest of the Army, XX Corps has yet to be properly mobilised and brought into the theatre, presumably by rail. This will take some time. The urgency of the situation leads the President, the Chief of the General Staff concurring, to order 10th Army, with its sole Army Corps, at once to engage the Chinese (?)insurgents to delay them until XX Corps may be assembled at Denver.

    Taking with him all except one infantry Brigade to guard Denver against incursion, Major-General Xxx marches off, his cavalry scouting ahead, towards the last known location of the Chinese army.

    The Chinese Army is commanded by one Li Xiucheng(?). It is a big army. Even poorly equipped and at best half-trained, it is nearly 5 times the size of XIX Corps. Its commander has divided this vast army into 4 columns: East (the vanguard), South (right wing), North (left wing) and West (Reserve). This whole force is marching slowly east in a rough 'batallion carre' - rough on account of the lack of roads. Each column is intended to remain within a day's march of at least one of the others in a kind of diamond formation.

    Now, I thought the first action, fought on 6 July, would likely to be an encounter battle between 10th army and one of the East or South columns. By this time, the balance of 19th Army will have gathered, and, under the command of Brigadier-General Yyy (commander of XX Corps) is about to set off to reinforce 10th Army.

    I thought a second battle might be fought before the arrival of XX Corps, with XIX Corps holding a strong defensive position, against two or maybe three of the Chinese columns - probably East and South. As XX Corps is coming in from the east, rather than the south, and as Li Xiucheng has reason to apprehend a Union approach from that direction, he sends the North column a few miles that way as a species of flank guard. Possibly XX Corps encounters that column, which fights a holding action. By this time the attack at Breakaleg Ridge has either failed, or succeeded, with XIX Corps retreating in probably a south easterly direction. Two or three days later (we're probably talking maybe a fortnight after the first battle) Tenth Reserve Army has united, and is ready to take on the enemy forces.

    This army will still be outnumbered by the Chinese at a rough ratio of 5:3, but the qualitative differences ought to make up for some of that deficit.

    That gives us two or three reasonably sized combats to open the campaign, with the outcomes far from fore-ordained.

    None of this is set in concrete - you will have ideas of your own how this campaign is like to go - and how the armies ought to be organised. You might well prefer the cavalry brigades to be the same size as the infantry, say. The army Corps system I have suggested need not be a permanent thing, merely an ad hoc administrative expedient, given the separation of the two halves of the army. But you might not want the army to be so divided, the whole marching off together.

    I've worked out an organisation for the Chinese Army that I'll run by you another time.

    what do you think so far?
    Cheers,
    Ion

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  4. Ion...Wow this is great !!!!! The reason 10th reserve army is under-strength is that one of its four infantry brigades is on garrison duty in Mexico, it is therefore permanently unavailable for action against the Chinese. The only help available is from the tired, unreinforced armies still in Germany after the victory there. They will take a lot of time to refresh and travel to China. Therefore the 10th, commanded by General Jackson, will be unsupported for a long time. They must delay the Chinese but cannot risk destruction. I think that gives good scope for a number of battles although the Chinese will always be seeking to pin down the Union forces. Artillery and machine guns are integral to my infantry brigades but if you wish to keep them independent thats fine. The order of battle for the Chinese is great. I have always assumed at least a 3 to 1 superiority over the Union likely more. The Chinese do not have cavalry, horses are too expensive in China and only ponies are available for "panje" carts in the supply service. Another point, Union field artillery is numerous and use quick firers, think British 18 pounders. With those thoughts in mind I am very happy to leave the final decisions to you. I have to say how pleased I am that you are planning a battle(s) based around my Imagi-Nations. I take that as a real compliment. Thank you. Regards.

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  5. Ion...Still thinking about this, I have a few more comments you might consider. Firstly, the Chinese troops are all illiterate peasant conscripts, NCO's are literate peasants and company grade officers will be educated conscripts. Field grade and above ranks will be "political" or "party" appointments , military skills very variable. Union troops are volunteer professionals to a man. Officers and NCO's all promoted from the ranks on merit. The 10th army being reserve, the soldiers will be in their early 30's and perhaps have less stamina but will all be very experienced. Also Chinese troops have a bag of rice and a bag of ammunition. Union forces have a most sophisticated logistics system. This may be a factor if there is more than one battle. Hope this helps on the all important morale and logistics questions. I am very excited with this project. Regards.

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  6. Hi Tony -
    That background is just the thing. OK, we now know that the 4th Brigade is permanently unavailable, and that 10th Army is on its own. I'll drop the XIX Corps thing. General Jackson - good (Maj-Genl T.J. Jackson Jnr maybe?).

    Three to one? This gets better and better! I still think the separate columns, but I might drop the 'Bataillion carre' idea (probably too Napoleonic anyway). This is what I had in mind for these guys.
    They would be divided between 'Regulars' and 'Irregular' troops. There will be two regular elite regiments, the Blue Leopards and the Green Tigers (19 figures apiece), who will be the only troops armed with single shot breechloading rifles (some snake-in-the-grass has been running guns!). The 6 other Regular Brigades (28 figures each) will be armed with muzzle-loading rifled muskets; and all the irregulars (I had envisaged 9 by 19-figure regiments, but I can add more) would be armed with smoothbore muskets. The artillery will all be smoothbore field guns, outranged by the Union rifled pieces, but deadly up close.

    I think the Chinese ought to have some cavalry, but perhaps they can be reduced to a couple of 15-figure light raggedy regiments for the whole army. A drop in the bucket, and mounted on scraggy ponies at that.

    I take your point concerning the artillery, and I would expect to find artillery, and certainly machine guns in a brigade group. The scaling I'm using would tend to subsume them. But let's run with this:
    - Three infantry brigade groups comprising 27 infantry, 1 light (field) gun (2 crew men), 1 MG (Gatling I don't have Maxims);
    - One cavalry brigade group of 2 regiments (21st and 33rd Cavalry, each of 15 figures), 1 flying artillery (2 crew men).
    - One artillery battalion with 2 medium rifled gun/howitzers, both pieces with 3 crew figures.
    - One pioneer group of 4 pioneer figures.
    - One transport column ( a number of wagons)
    - Army HQ: General Jackson and staff (a couple of ADC figures).

    Not counting the Army command and transport column, this represents a force of 23,000 officers and men - somewhat inflated by the number of figures for the arty and MGs. I'm counting 3 figures represents 500 men. Perhaps crew/pioneer figures should represent 1:100 instead of 3:500. That would bring the numbers to exactly 21,000. In figures and models: about 150 figures, 6 guns, 4 wagons.

    The Chinese army I have in mind would amount to 423 figures, 377 infantry, 30 cavalry, 16 gunners with 4 guns, and an assorted train of wagons and carts. Overall, this force amounts to close on 70,000 strong.

    The Union army I'm assuming to be well-equipped and trained: the infantry all armed with magazine rifles (which will double the firepower over the single shot rifles), the artillery all rifled (and so outranging the Chinese field guns), and the cavalry all armed with repeating carbines.

    I'll send this for what it might be worth, and go back over your organisation postings to tidy up some details.

    Cheers,
    Ion

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  7. Me again, Tony -
    Question: Do you have a Brigade ID numbering (serial) system at all, and perhaps a regimental/battalion one as well?
    I took the liberty of identifying two cavalry regiments as the 21st and 33rd, but you might have different serial numbers for them. If you could supply the names of the commanders of the brigades and maybe Jackson's chief of staff and engineer officer as well (or, if you prefer, I can make up some; the various forts kicking around the US will be a fine source of names).

    I have rather subsumed much of the army's 'tail' in just 4 wagons. I can increase this to 6 or 8, if you feel that it needs to be done, but bear in mind that it's appearance on the field is likely to be rare. Each wagon will represent not only the vehicles, but also an escort company charged with their defence and protection.

    I may have to substitute Gardner guns for Gatlings, the latter crews wearing topees - headgear I find hard to associate with US troops. Probably doesn't really matter...

    I've just realised that the Chinese shortage of cavalry will be for them a real problem. The Union will find it a whole deal easier to find the Chinese Army than the other way around. I'll see if I can't lay out the Union 10th Army so you can see what it will look like on my table.

    Cheers,
    Ion

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  8. Ion....You got the General right !!!!! I think your plans for the Chinese army are great. I very much like the idea of regular elite units and militia style units. The numbers seem perfect too. In fact I like everything you have outlined. I am very excited by this whole thing...I have fought these battles in my head many times but it will be fantastic to see how a real wargame comes out. I am impressed by the time and effort you are putting into this project. Looking forward to the next steps. Regards.

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  9. Ion... Yes I do have a numbering system for my brigades and battalions BUT I have never extended it to the 10th reserve army. Given that all units in this army are reserve I see no reason not to just use 1,2,3,4 etc with a suffix of reserve. eg 5th reserve infantry battalion in 1st reserve infantry brigade for example. If you are not happy with that I will devise some alternative numbers. I have never used actual names to any great extent other than in specific cases on the Imagi-Nations posts wherever they seemed to add a bit of colour. Therefore I am very happy for you to use whatever names you think best. I agree about the Union logistics, its more about the Union never running out of ammunition or food than anything else. The Chinese however could become hungry and short of ammunition especially during a series of battles. The Union does have Maxims but Gardiners would work too. Yes the Chinese suffer seriously from limited or non existent cavalry, that is a major strength of the Union especially with their horse artillery regiments too. The Union have often used cavalry to great advantage in many of my Imagi-Nations battles.I would love to see the troops laid out. Maybe you could e mail photos to me. How good is this getting !!!!! Regards.

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  10. Hi Tony -
    OK- I'm still on the same page you are: good! I can do Gardiner MGs instead of Gatlings, no problem there.

    I think for this campaign we may want formation commanders (Brigade level). I used to make up my own, as I may have mentioned another time. I seem to recall my Union army was commanded by one Titus E. Canby (a steal from the comic strip 'Bringing up Father', with Miles R. Long and Justin Cayce as two of the Division commanders. Scraxton Scragg and Montgomery J. Klaxon (another steal from the cartoon serious 'Calvin and the Colonel') were Division commanders, CSA. But I think using US Forts for surnames would be the way to go. I'll draw up a list.

    I've used numbers for the Chinese units sequentially, but omitting all numbers that contain the digit '4'. I won't do a detailed OOB; this will emerge as the campaign progresses.

    Meanwhile I'll do a detailed Union OOB, down at least to brigade level, possibly to regiment/ battalion.
    I originally intended to fight the battles on an ungridded table, but a gridded would have certain virtues. I'll think about that. If you have a preference, I'll go with that.

    The Chinese will have cavalry, and their numbers equal the Union (can't be helped), but they can fight only mounted, and are armed with lance or some sort of edged weapon. Their ponies are lighter than the Union mounts. The Union cavalry I am assuming are armed with carbines and pistols. Now, my Union cavalry figures are cast with sabres. I suppose that would not be regulation issue, but it could be a peccadillo of the local brigade general - a George B. (Son of George A.) Custer, maybe? The Union cavalry are capable of fighting mounted or dismounted, or in mixed formations (just feasible with my 15-figure units). The Flying (horse) artillery will accompany the lead infantry battalion (for its protection, but whence it may quickly be called upon) on the march.

    I should have asked about the country these forces are entering. I have supposed it to be fairly gently undulating, mostly grasslands, but with the occasional ridge or escarpment, some woodland and occasional forests, a few smallish settlements - no really large towns. A few rivers and creeks of no special note, apart from marshland or swamps occasionally found along their banks (just as well, because neither army has a bridging train). None too many roads, but what there are the armies will tend to follow.

    The campaign opens with the Chinese marching more or less due eastward, the Union along a road trending northwest. The first action will occur with the leading units (Union cavalry - not sure what the Chinese will bring to the party, as I'll be dicing for which column the Union will encounter) clashing around a small village nestling between a tract of woodland and a bend in a minor river. Both sides will be feeding troops into the battle as they arrive. This will be a little bit like Gettysburg, but it won't LOOK like Gettysburg.

    That's as I see it so far. If you have ideas for battles or battlefields, please let me know. Or even a map of the area, insofar as that in known to the Union. I think it would be a good idea too if you have particular ideas how the Union should proceed after the first action. So far I have no clear picture of what the theatre really looks like. You probably have a clearer vision in that regard.

    At any rate, we are in for some crook weather the next couple of days. i hope to get the first action in then...

    Cheers,
    Ion

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  11. Hi Ion...I am happy for you to use what ever names you like, US forts are indeed a good source. I have no idea if a gridded or ungridded table would be best having never used either !!!! You are the expert on that question. The armament of Union cavalry is repeating carbine and pistol but no sabre. I agree the use of sabres could be typical of Custer's personal peccadillo's, he had many after all !!!!! Certainly they usually fight on foot, none of the old fashioned cavalry charges.

    It is a shame the Chinese have to have cavalry especially in similar numbers to the Union. That does not reflect the "reality" of my Imagi-Nations where only the Union can afford or breed adequate cavalry grade horses. It is a major factor in favour of the Union against virtually all enemies. Reference the Russian/Japanese war of 1904, Jap cavalry was virtually non existent due to inadequate horse types and a national disinterest in cavalry. If you feel it essential then I guess Chinese cavalry with lances and small horses and only able to fight on horseback is the best I can ask for although traditional cavalry charges would I hope fail badly against Union firepower.

    As for the country in southern China, the landscape you outlined is perfect with the exception there are no civilians and all houses/villages etc have been ruined years before during the previous war. There is only one major all weather road leading north west to south east. Otherwise just unmetalled tracks overgrown through non use over the past several years.

    I agree it should be an encounter battle like Gettysburg. The primary mission of the Union forces is to stop or at least slow the Chinese advance while preserving Union strength at all times. I think the Union would employ "hit and run" tactics to a large extent. The Chinese strategy would be to "suck" in the Union forces so as to be able to bring their superior numbers to bear. They are looking to inflict a knockout blow. Quite how you represent those opposing strategies I have no idea !!!! With those opposing mission statements there seems a good opportunity for a series of battles as each side seeks to out maneuver the other.

    I very much look forward to hearing how you get on. Sorry if you feel I am putting too many constraints on your options. I am just confirming the "historical" facts of my Imagi-Nations stories. That said its your game so you should make final decisions as you see fit.
    Regards

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  12. Hi Tony
    Have you been receiving my pics that I've send through email? If not, then I'll probably have to post them on my blog, or work out some other arrangement.

    I think it essential that the Chinese army have SOME cavalry, however limited and however poor the quality. An army without cavalry is pretty much at the mercy of one that has. As it happens the US doesn't meet any cavalry in the first battle, and if they had, would have outnumbered them 2 to 1. That the Union don't suspect the Chinese have any cavalry at all would reflect perhaps their escaping the attention of Union intelligence or maybe a dismissive attitude as to their likely significance.

    Such gentry would be useful for scouting and maybe for raids against LOC, however inept at either. Union cavalrymen might well be contemptuous enough of them - and perhaps sufficiently traditionally minded - to essay a good old cavalry charge against them. With no cavalry facing them in the first battle, the cavalry fought 'semi-dismounted'.

    I also think the theatre will not be totally empty - just 'emptyish', so imagine there will be a few poor hamlets and villages rather spasrely distributed about.

    Now, I use 'figure removal' in my rule set, but they represent not only KIA and WIA, but also having left the colours for any number of reasons - not all of them honourable. At the end of the day, the stragglers are likely to be collected and 'return to the colours'. So, overnight, the winning army gets half its battle losses back, and the other half are counted towards the 'butcher's bill'. The losing army gets one third back, the 1/6 difference standing as POWs - stragglers rounded up by the winners.

    Although the Union cavalry ran into what amounted to an ambush, they held on until the infantry were able to take over the fight. The Green Tigers were routed with heavy losses, the 6th 'Regular' Infantry were equally crushed by 37th and 38th Brigades, whilst the lead conscript regiment (4Bns) was also near-on destroyed. The East column was routed with a loss of some 6000 of their number; Tenth army lost 2250. Union firepower was pretty much the decisive factor in this action (and the Green Tigers fought very well before they were finally driven from the field.

    Losses were evenly spread among the infantry, 500 from each (3 figures); the cavalry lost 750 (4 figures). Fairly hefty, but in keeping with the scale of the victory, I think. And it was the best Chinese troops that took the heaviest losses (about 50%, after returns).

    However, 39th Brigade had to deplore the loss of Brigadier-General Lyle B. Atkinson to artillery fire as they marched into battle (That was a piece of bad luck, if you like!). 39th Brigade will be taken over by its senior Lieutenant-Colonel, Tarrant W. Chambly.

    To be continued...

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  13. Continuing:

    Hi again -
    Now, as I mentioned in an email that I hope you received, the angles of the line of march ought to have led the Union Army to encounter the South column of the Chinese. Somehow or other, they missed that column, and lit up against the Centre (East) column instead. It seems that the one column was moving more slowly than it ought, the other rather faster. The Union would have moved across the South column's front, but at a distance such that the cavalry scouts would not have discovered them.

    Interrogating prisoners after the battle (about a thousand of them) Genl Jackson determines that there is a column to his north and south, and a third approaching from the West. Normally, the central position would be a desirable thing, but the south is the Tenth's strategic flank, the LOC trending southeast.

    The strategy I'm thinking of now might not be ideal - let's see what you reckon. Jackson leaves one infantry brigade with half the cavalry and possibly half the heavy artillery in a nice defensive position a little south of the battlefield just fought over. He also leaves his engineers to trace out some field works. Himself with the main body and marches hotfoot to seek out the South column. This will give us a couple of interesting battles:

    1. The Tenth Army main body against South column
    2. The detached force (37th Brigade plus add-ons) fighting a delaying action along a ridge-line against one or more Chinese columns (probably the Reserve (west) column).
    3. A possibility of a second action by 37th Brigade, with the main body coming to the rescue. This will of course depend upon the results of the first two battles!

    Please let me know if you have received the pictures. If not, I'll post them on my blog, together with a narrative. What do you want to call this conflict, by the way?

    Cheers,
    Ion

    Now, as I mentioned in an email that I hope you received, the angles of the line of march ought to have led the Union Army to encounter the South column of the Chinese. Somehow or other, they missed that column, and lit up against the Centre (East) column instead. It seems that the one column was moving more slowly than it ought, the other rather faster. The Union would have moved across the South column's front, but at a distance such that the cavalry scouts would not have discovered them.

    Interrogating prisoners after the battle (about a thousand of them) Genl Jackson determines that there is a column to his north and south, and a third approaching from the West. Normally, the central position would be a desirable thing, but the south is the Tenth's strategic flank, the LOC trending southeast.

    The strategy I'm thinking of now might not be ideal - let's see what you reckon. Jackson leaves one infantry brigade with half the cavalry and possibly half the heavy artillery in a nice defensive position a little south of the battlefield just fought over. He also leaves his engineers to trace out some field works. Himself with the main body and marches hotfoot to seek out the South column. This will give us a couple of interesting battles:

    1. The Tenth Army main body against South column
    2. The detached force (37th Brigade plus add-ons) fighting a delaying action along a ridge-line against one or more Chinese columns (probably the Reserve (west) column).
    3. A possibility of a second action by 37th Brigade, with the main body coming to the rescue. This will of course depend upon the results of the first two battles!

    Please let me know if you have received the pictures. If not, I'll post them on my blog, together with a narrative. What do you want to call this conflict, by the way?

    Cheers,
    Ion

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  14. Hi Ion....I am sorry to report that I have not received a single e mail from you. Have searched spam too but nothing at all. I have no idea what could have gone wrong.

    Responding to the above. I accept your comments about cavalry. I have always worked on the basis that possession of cavalry does give the Union an overwhelming advantage but your strategy offers an interesting alternative so please carry on. With regard to the landscape again I accept your proposals, after all it is your wargame.

    The outline of the battle sounds very good indeed. I am distraught that your e mails, presumably giving a full account of the battle, are missing in action. I very much want to have the fullest details of the action so maybe the way forward is for you to publish it on your blog. After all, a bit of publicity from you will do my blog the world of good too !!!!!!!

    As to the next steps, I actually like your proposed strategy. I think it is exactly what Jackson would do given his orders. I particularly like the concept of POWs. Have any Union troops been captured ?? If so that could well become a negotiating factor in any eventual peace deal. As for a name, to me it is The Second Chinese War. If you have a better idea thats fine with me. Once I have full battle reports I will include the major points in my next Imagi-Nations chapter.

    Overall, it is very exciting for me that you are fighting this campaign, I am frustrated by the failure of the emails. Maybe you could try to resend ???

    Regards Tony

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  15. Hi Tony
    I suspected as much. Your blog arrives in my email, but I can't post replies. I'd need a different email address to send it to I think. I TRIED to sent pics of what the Tenth Army looks like as I've organised it, and a few pics of the battle with a brief account. I'll post something more detailed in my blog.

    There I will include the orders of battle down to brigade level (Union, which will be regimental level for the Chinese).

    The Second Chinese War - OK, though it might equally be called the Second Sino-Union War - especially by neutral observers. I'll probably use both names during the course of the narrative. By the way, the US had no MIA in this action - so no POWs lost (and no desertion either!). The only close quarter fighting was a street battle between 37th Union Brigade and parts of 6th Regular Infantry in the village.


    I was going to suggest that you make the strategic decisions from here on, but that idea was predicated upon your having received my emails! I could act as Colonel James T. Tilden, the Army Chief of Staff (one of the characters I've named), and submit suggestions. But for now I'll go with the programme outlined.

    Now, I receive your blog posts by email. Does that mean you have my email address? If you do, perhaps you can send me yours and I can then send copies of the emails I sent earlier - with pics. I don't think this here is a very convenient place to continue our conversation!
    Cheers,
    Ion

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  16. Hi Ion....Yes this is not the best place to carry on this fascinating story. I do not have your e mail address. If you get updates on my blog then you would have entered your e mail address to do so but it is not visible to me. However on my blog is a "contact form" that will allow you to send me your e mail address. Maybe that is the way forward. As to the above Second Sino-Union War sounds very good. Lets establish e mail contact, that will enable much better communication going forward. If all else fails I will publish my email address here. Regards.

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